Простите мне мое невежество, но... (Палпатин)

[Blomm]

Но ведь получается, что сенатор Палпатин-будущий Императо р ситх по атуре. А что-то от совета джедаев не слышно (ни в одной книжке) о том что они чусвуют его. А ведь сталкиваться они с ним должны были. Получается непонимание у меня.

[Garrick [SH]]

Ну там маскировка на местности или камуфляжная расскраска, перья в ....пе, тихие перебежки исключительно по ночам от угла к углу. Вот так сенатор и вышел инкогнито

А если серьёзно, то мне самому интересно, как такая сильная личность, в тёмном смысле этого слова, осталась незамеченной для целого совета Джедаев.

[Sat]

Blomm Garrick [SH]
Уже обсуждалось. Темные очень умело маскировались, когда надо было. Это было частью обучения.

[Mephisto]

Да ладно вам.
Вот Йода и Оби-Ван ныкался много лет.
Видимо можно как то через Силу ныкаться.

[Blomm]

Mephisto

Не ну Йода да и Оби-Ван и прочие светлые джедаи, ситхов не интересуют пока вмешиваться не начнут. А вот у джедаев к ситхам другое отношение. Вот в первом эпизоде на совете все обсуждали сначала кто учитель или ученик, потом кого учителя или ученика. А вот напрашивается мысль, что совет должн был искать оставшегося ситха. А оказалось ламерье...

[Devona_Shade]

Blomm Если А вот напрашивается мысль, что совет должн был искать оставшегося ситха. Знаешь, меня это тож изумило... Впрочем, может, они это сделают в следующей серии... 10 лет спустя...
Не ну Йода да и Оби-Ван и прочие светлые джедаи, ситхов не интересуют пока вмешиваться не начнут
Ага, как же... Именно поэтому Вейдер всех Джедаев и извел... и Оби-вана с Йодой бы извел, если б не сховались...

[Hedge]

Именно поэтому Вейдер всех Джедаев и извел...
Он просто очень на них на всех сильно обиделся

[Blomm]

Так прочие сховались и жилиб так ведь нет-смелые больно. Да и ситуация там была немного другая...вроде

[Devona_Shade]

Hedge Бедненький... Обидели мальчика...

[Lord]

оби Ван и Йода не пользовались силой поэтому их не нашли, наверно Палпатин тоже самое делал

[Blomm]

Lord
Ага Люк вот в 6 эпизоде то же не пользовался, а вот папка-то его учуял. Правдв может на то он и папка. Но в то же время странно... Как это палпатин не пользовался, а ктож мола научил. Че-то я совсем запутался.

[Hedge]

Devona_Shade
... и поглотила массу Анакина Темная сторона...

Blomm
А вот напрашивается мысль, что совет должн был искать оставшегося ситха.
Наверное им показалось, что они нашли оставшегося ситха. В сценарии Эпизода II есть граф Дуку, он есть и в трейлере фильма, с ним дерется Анакин. Вполне возможно, что джежаи поверили, что уничтожили последнего ситха - "учителя".
Правда возникает вопрос: не мог ли "учитель" (граф Дуку)воспитать еще одного "ученика"? Но, наверное, тот бы дрался вместе со своим "учителем" (графом Дуку). А тот факт, что сам граф мог быть "учеником", джедаям в голову не пришло.

[Darth Hammer]

Если кому интересно- вот раскопал полную историю Палпатина.
Перевести пока времени не было, сорри...


Palpatine was the supreme ruler of the most powerful tyrannical regime the galaxy had ever witnessed, yet his roots are extremely humble, traced back to the peaceful world of Naboo.

Before his rise to power, Palpatine was an unassuming yet ambitious senator in the Galactic Republic. Palpatine saw the Republic crumbling about him, torn apart by partisan bickering and corruption. All too common were those unscrupulous senators taking advantage of the system, growing fat and wealthy on a bureaucracy too slow to catch them.

Palpatine's moment of opportunity came as a result of a trade embargo. The Trade Federation, in protest of government measures that would tax their outlying trade routes, blockaded and invaded Naboo. Naboo's planetary leader, Queen Amidala, rushed to Coruscant for Palpatine's aid. Together, the two pleaded to the senate for intervention, only to see their request stalemated by Trade Federation filibustering. Frustrated by the government's inability to do anything, Queen Amidala acted upon Palpatine's suggestion, and called for a Vote of No Confidence in the Republic's leadership.

Chancellor Valorum was voted out of office, and Palpatine was soon nominated to succeed him. The crisis on Naboo created a strong sympathy vote, and Palpatine became Chancellor. He promised to reuinite the disaffected, and bring order and justice to the government.

Despite his promises, the Republic continued to be mired in strife and chaos. In an effort to counter this, Palpatine instituted a military build-up unprecedented in galactic history. He created the New Order, a Galactic Empire that ruled by tyranny. The Jedi Knights, his biggest threat, were extinguished by his greatest dark side pupil: Anakin Skywalker, who had become Darth Vader.

During the Galactic Civil War, Palpatine ruled with an iron fist. He disbanded the Imperial Senate, and passed control down to the regional governors and the military. During the Hoth campaign, Palpatine expressed to Vader his concerns over Luke Skywalker, a young Rebel powerful in the Force. Vader suggested that the two convert the youth to the dark side of the Force, an idea the Emperor seconded.

The Emperor was a scheming ruler, planning events far in the future, using the Force to foresee the results. Palpatine allowed Rebel spies to learn of the location of the second Death Star, and foresaw their strike team and fleet assault. Palpatine crafted an elaborate trap that was to be the end of the Rebellion. He also concentrated on converting Luke Skywalker to the dark side of the Force, even at the expense of sacrificing Vader. In the Death Star, high above the Battle of Endor, Luke refused the Emperor's newfound dark side power, and so Palpatine used his deadly Force lightning to attack the young Jedi. Luke almost died in the assault, but his father, Darth Vader, returned to the light side of the Force, and hurled the Emperor into the Death Star's reactor core, killing him.

was the supreme ruler of the most powerful tyrannical regime the galaxy had ever witnessed, yet his roots are extremely humble, traced back to the peaceful world of Naboo.

Before his rise to power, Palpatine was an unassuming yet ambitious senator in the Galactic Republic. Palpatine saw the Republic crumbling about him, torn apart by partisan bickering and corruption. All too common were those unscrupulous senators taking advantage of the system, growing fat and wealthy on a bureaucracy too slow to catch them.

Palpatine's moment of opportunity came as a result of a trade embargo. The Trade Federation, in protest of government measures that would tax their outlying trade routes, blockaded and invaded Naboo. Naboo's planetary leader, Queen Amidala, rushed to Coruscant for Palpatine's aid. Together, the two pleaded to the senate for intervention, only to see their request stalemated by Trade Federation filibustering. Frustrated by the government's inability to do anything, Queen Amidala acted upon Palpatine's suggestion, and called for a Vote of No Confidence in the Republic's leadership.

Chancellor Valorum was voted out of office, and Palpatine was soon nominated to succeed him. The crisis on Naboo created a strong sympathy vote, and Palpatine became Chancellor. He promised to reuinite the disaffected, and bring order and justice to the government.

Despite his promises, the Republic continued to be mired in strife and chaos. In an effort to counter this, Palpatine instituted a military build-up unprecedented in galactic history. He created the New Order, a Galactic Empire that ruled by tyranny. The Jedi Knights, his biggest threat, were extinguished by his greatest dark side pupil: Anakin Skywalker, who had become Darth Vader.

During the Galactic Civil War, Palpatine ruled with an iron fist. He disbanded the Imperial Senate, and passed control down to the regional governors and the military. During the Hoth campaign, Palpatine expressed to Vader his concerns over Luke Skywalker, a young Rebel powerful in the Force. Vader suggested that the two convert the youth to the dark side of the Force, an idea the Emperor seconded.

The Emperor was a scheming ruler, planning events far in the future, using the Force to foresee the results. Palpatine allowed Rebel spies to learn of the location of the second Death Star, and foresaw their strike team and fleet assault. Palpatine crafted an elaborate trap that was to be the end of the Rebellion. He also concentrated on converting Luke Skywalker to the dark side of the Force, even at the expense of sacrificing Vader. In the Death Star, high above the Battle of Endor, Luke refused the Emperor's newfound dark side power, and so Palpatine used his deadly Force lightning to attack the young Jedi. Luke almost died in the assault, but his father, Darth Vader, returned to the light side of the Force, and hurled the Emperor into the Death Star's reactor core, killing him.

[Blomm]

Darth Hammer
....Darth Vader, returned to the light side of the Force, and hurled the Emperor into the Death Star's reactor core, killing him. or not?!! Dark side is very poverfull!

[Lord]

Да уж

[DARKEN]

По теории зана или кто там продолжение писал,то убили только его тело а дух его вернулся на Bfyys или куда там где император делал своих клонов а потом вернулся к люку и убедил его перейти на темную сторону силы ,люк думал как и вейдер что сможет победить императора изнутри.Правда палпатин всеравно потом обламался.Но это отнюдь небыло концом приключений потом были Сси-руук ,Траун,Потом как там ,та которая вирус зафигачила .Потом Вонги или как их там.В общем миром и спокойствием там явно не пахнет.Жаль что у мефисто про них в библиотеке ничего нет,читая англ вариант я много чего узнал.

[Darth Hammer]

Еще об Императоре....(кстати, очень много недосказано!)


No one is quite sure how Palpatine was first introduced to the power of the dark side. He is the most powerful practitioner of the Sith ways in modern times. He studied the ancient ruins on the Sith mausoleum world of Korriban. He unlocked secrets of the Force from a captured Jedi Holocron. The dark side energies flowing through Palpatine's body were so intense, that they ravaged his mortal frame. The very source of Palpatine's strength was killing him.

To counter the dark side's consumption, Palpatine turned to a bizarre combination of technology and Sith magic. Palpatine used Spaarti cloning cylinders to create a store of younger bodies, and employed an ancient Sith technique to transfer his consciousness into a waiting clone. Thus, Palpatine could avoid death indefinitely -- as long as his supply of clones remained intact. He would change his form again and again, prolonging his life. Palpatine constructed a secret throne-world deep within the galaxy's core, on a shadowy world called Byss. Here, he kept his clones safe, protected by a loyal cadre of Dark Side Adepts.

Although Palpatine called for the extermination of the Jedi and any Force-sensitives who could conceivably challenge him, he did keep a few loyal agents who were trained in the Force. Darth Vader was chief among them, as his primary lieutenant and Sith apprentice. Palpatine also had a string of loyal, deadly agents referred to as his "Hands." Mara Jade was foremost among these dedicated enforcers.

At the Battle of Endor, Palpatine found himself facing death yet again. Betrayed by Vader, Palpatine's body was destroyed aboard the second Death Star. Separated from his clones, Palpatine was forced to survive in the maddening, bodiless existence of the void. Through sheer will he retained his identity, crossing the gulf of space to again take residence in his clone body. He barely survived Darth Vader's treachery. Palpatine remained sequestered at Byss while he rebuilt his strength, and his Empire.

Palpatine's rule was so absolute that his apparent death at Endor fragmented the Empire. With no obvious heir, opportunistic moffs and warlords set out to carve their own private fiefdoms where they could. Years of infighting worked to the advantage of the fledgling New Republic, who proceeded to reclaim three-fourths of the galaxy. One warlord who succeeded where imitators failed was Grand Admiral Thrawn, the only non-human to hold that rank. His cunning tactics and unerring strategies brought the Empire to the brink of victory five years after the Battle of Endor. Only a last minute betrayal spelled his defeat.

Spurred on by Thrawn's victories, the remaining Inner Circle of Imperial warlords staged a devastating attack on Coruscant. Whereas Thrawn sought to take the capital world intact, these Imperials attacked without compunction. Much of Imperial City was laid waste by the fighting, and the New Republic was forced to evacuate. Once on the surface, the Imperials splintered yet again, and skirmishes dragged on in amongst the ruined skyscrapers.

It was then that the resurrected Palpatine struck. Using his dark powers to invoke a Force storm of great magnitude, Palpatine swept Jedi Master Luke Skywalker to Byss. There, he revealed himself to Skywalker, and unveiled the true strength of the dark side. Faced with an immortal enemy, Skywalker did the unthinkable -- in order to defeat the dark side from within, Skywalker knelt before Palpatine, and declared himself his new apprentice. In these dark times, it seemed the Emperor had finally won.

Skywalker was too enmeshed in darkness to successfully rebel against his master. Although he sabotaged some of Palpatine's military ventures -- namely those involving immense war factories called World Devastators -- he still could do not draw himself from the pall of the dark side. It was only his sister, Leia Organa Solo, that gave him the extra strength he needed. With her presence, the two Skywalker twins were able to temporarily repulse Palpatine.

Unabated, the Emperor continued his scourge. Armed with an incredible new superweapon, the Galaxy Gun, Palpatine forced numerous New Republic worlds to capitulate to Imperial rule. Despite his growing Empire, Palpatine was again growing frail. His clones were failing him. He needed new blood. Palpatine targeted Leia's newborn son, Anakin Solo, as the next receptacle for his dark spirit. During an attempt to possess the child, Han Solo shot the ailing Palpatine in the back. Before his soul could enter Anakin's body, Palpatine was intercepted by a newfound Jedi, Empatojayos Brand. Cut off from a host body, Palpatine's essence dissipated, to be consumed by the madness that is the dark side. After so many years of bloodshed, the Emperor was truly dead.

[Lord]

Как эти книги называются, где Император воскрес?

[Darth Hammer]

Хороший вопрос... не могу сказать... комиксы, может...
на официальном сайте надо посмотреть..

[Mephisto]

Комиксы такие:
Dark Empire
Dark Empire II
Empire's End

http://www.lukin.atfreeweb.com/sw/lib.htm

[Lord]

А на русском они есть?

[Mephisto]

нет

[Lord]

А перевести слабо?

[Mephisto]

А перевести слабо?

Камрад у меня времени сайт обновить нету, а ты перевести...

[Lord]

Кроме тебя некому?