Tarja "Турнутая" Turunen

Svartkladd · 25-10-2005, 01:19

Хе-хе... Впрочем, к этому всё шло

22.10.2005 - THE RECORDING OF "END OF AN ERA" -LIVE RELEASE WAS A HUGE SUCCESS
Nightwish recorded "End Of An Era" -live release yesterday evening in Hartwall-Arena, Helsinki. As you can imagine, the atmosphere in the Arena was wild but also quite blue. This was the ending for a one and a half year lasting "Once" -World Tour. Nightwish wishes to thank everybody for an unbelievable tour.

Unfortunately the title "End Of An Era" also holds a deeper meaning. The open letter, which was given to Tarja after the show, tells it all. You can read it here:

Dear Tarja,

It`s time to choose whether the story of Nightwish ends here or whether it will still continue an undetermined period of time. We`ve been working with this creation for 9 years and we are not ready to give up yet. Nightwish is a way of life, something to live for, and we`re certain we can`t let it go.

Equally certain is the fact that we cannot go on with you and Marcelo any longer. During the last year something sad happened, which I`ve been going over in my head every single day, morning and night. Your attitude and behavior don`t go with Nightwish anymore. There are characteristics I would never have believed to see in my old dear friend.
People who don`t talk with each other for a year do not belong in the same band.

We are involved in an industry where the business-side of things is a necessary evil and something to worry about all the time. We are also a band which has always done music from the heart, because of friendship and the music itself. The mental satisfaction should always be more important than money! Nightwish is a band, it`s an emotion.
To you, unfortunately, business, money, and things that have nothing to do with those emotions have become much more important. You feel that you have sacrificed yourself and your musical career for Nightwish, rather than thinking what it has given to you.
This attitude was clearly shown to me in the two things you said to me in an airplane in Toronto: ”I don`t need Nightwish anymore.” and ”Remember, Tuomas, that I could leave this band at any time, giving you only one day`s warning in advance”.
I can`t simply write any more songs for you to sing.

You have said yourself that you are merely a ”guest musician” in Nightwish. Now that visit ends and we will continue Nightwish with a new female vocalist.
We`re sure this is an equally big relief to you as it is for us. We have all been feeling bad long enough.

You told us that no matter what, the next Nightwish album will be your last one. However, the rest of us want to continue as long as the fire burns. So there`s no sense in doing that next album with you, either.
The four of us have been going over this situation countless times and we have realized that this is the thing we want to do in life. It´s all we can do. In December 2004, in Germany, you said that you will never tour again for more than two weeks at a time. You also said that we can forget about U.S. and Australia because the fees and the sizes of venues are too small.

In interviews I`ve mentioned that if Tarja leaves, that would be the end of the band. I understand that people will think this way. Nightwish is, however, a scenery of my soul and I`m not ready to let go because of one person. A person who wants to focus her creativity to somewhere else, a person whose values don`t match mine.

We were never bothered by the fact that you didn`t participate in writing/arranging songs, you never in 9 years came to rehearse the songs with us before going to the studio. Not the fact that while on tour you always wanted to fly, separately from us with your husband. Not the fact that you are an undisputable front image of the band.
We accepted and felt ok about everything except greed, underestimating the fans, and breaking promises. It was agreed by the five of us that Nightwish would be the priority in everything that we do during 2004-2005. Still so many things were more important to you. The ultimate example being the already sold-out show in Oslo, which you wanted to cancel because you needed to rehearse for your solo concerts, meet frieds and go to the movies. Those were the words Marcelo used in an e-mail explaining the cancellation. This being just one example of so many. I couldn`t think of a worse way of being selfish and dismissing our fans.

Nightwish is a way of life and a job with many obligations. To each other and to the fans. With you we can`t take care of those duties anymore.

Deep within we don`t know which one of you drove us to this point. Somehow Marcelo has changed you from the lovely girl you were into a diva, who doesn`t think or act the way she used to. You are too sure of your irreplaceableness and status.

It`s obvious that you blame your stress and misery on us four. And you think we don`t respect or listen to you. Belive us; We have always had the uppermost respect towards you as a wonderful vocalist and as a friend. And very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to your decisions only. You were always the only one who wanted more money from the shows.
This ”compensation and more money from everything” –attitude is the fact that we are most disappointed of!

We wish that from now on you will listen to your heart instead of Marcelo. Cultural differences combined with greed, opportunism and love is a dangerous combination. Do not wither yourself.

This decision is not something we are especially proud of but you gave us no choice. The gap between us is too wide. And the decision is made by us four unanimously. We are beyond the point where things could be settled by talking.

All the best for your life and career,

Tuomas

Emppu Jukka Marco

Ps. This is an open letter for everybody.

http://www.nightwish.com/

Blind Guardian · 25-10-2005, 06:41

Надо будет провести выходные отмечая это столь радостное событие

Тарантул · 26-10-2005, 01:33

Не люблю, когда всё это выносится на публику. Негативно начинают выглядеть обе стороны. Ну расстались бы по тихому, не называя причин. Типа, "желание сделать сольную карьеру" и всё. Нафига письмо, адресованное Тарье, выкладывать на всеобщее обозрение?!

По факту распада - жаль

Svartkladd · 27-10-2005, 00:41

Тарантул они ещё и книгу вроде собираются в продажу пустить - "о том как всё было". Всё там ясно.

Тарантул · 27-10-2005, 00:54

хех, и тоже кучу бабла на ней срубят. деньгами никто не брезгует, что бы кто не говорил в "открытых письмах".

Boоjum · 27-10-2005, 18:18

Интересно, кого найдут? Сабину Классен, ы?

Тарантул · 28-10-2005, 09:58

Селин Дион

Blind Guardian · 29-10-2005, 07:38

Или Колю Баскова...

.:Mellikaaf:. · 31-10-2005, 23:35

Та, а мне не жаль =) Я не слухал, не слухаю, и похоже не буду слухать ^_^ Скатертью дорожка...

Metal Fist · 03-11-2005, 08:20

Да,жаль что Тарья уходит из Найтвиша...Кто-нить в курсе,кого ей на замену найдут/уже нашли?(кроме Баскова=))

Metal Fist · 11-12-2005, 13:00

Дык кто-нибудь в курсе что с группой стало?Вроде новый альбом появился, или как?

SigoR · 18-12-2005, 18:16

Quote:

Вроде новый альбом появился, или как?

нашел только синглы и кампиляции 2005

Metal Fist · 22-12-2005, 09:34

Вот еще ссылка, вроде это их последнее http://creep.ru/2005/12/22/Nightwish...Wishsides.html

Faustus · 11-01-2006, 00:41

Имхо найты испелись и с Тарьей или без неё (судя по последнему альбому) ничего нового, интересного, захватывающего не получилось бы скорее всего.

Blind Guardian
Или Колю Баскова...

Ага, или Вилли Валло.

Vitos · 17-01-2006, 14:57

В Найтвиш надо позвать певицу, которая исполняла вокальные партии в опере Waltari "Yeah! Yeah! Die! Die! ...".

Другое дело - согласится ли?

Svartkladd · 17-01-2006, 16:46

В Nightwish нужно Криса Барнса позвать.

25-10-2005, 01:19	#1
Svartkladd Priest Of Syrinx Join Date: сен 2002 Сообщений: 3,635	Tarja "Турнутая" Turunen Хе-хе... Впрочем, к этому всё шло 22.10.2005 - THE RECORDING OF "END OF AN ERA" -LIVE RELEASE WAS A HUGE SUCCESS Nightwish recorded "End Of An Era" -live release yesterday evening in Hartwall-Arena, Helsinki. As you can imagine, the atmosphere in the Arena was wild but also quite blue. This was the ending for a one and a half year lasting "Once" -World Tour. Nightwish wishes to thank everybody for an unbelievable tour. Unfortunately the title "End Of An Era" also holds a deeper meaning. The open letter, which was given to Tarja after the show, tells it all. You can read it here: Dear Tarja, It`s time to choose whether the story of Nightwish ends here or whether it will still continue an undetermined period of time. We`ve been working with this creation for 9 years and we are not ready to give up yet. Nightwish is a way of life, something to live for, and we`re certain we can`t let it go. Equally certain is the fact that we cannot go on with you and Marcelo any longer. During the last year something sad happened, which I`ve been going over in my head every single day, morning and night. Your attitude and behavior don`t go with Nightwish anymore. There are characteristics I would never have believed to see in my old dear friend. People who don`t talk with each other for a year do not belong in the same band. We are involved in an industry where the business-side of things is a necessary evil and something to worry about all the time. We are also a band which has always done music from the heart, because of friendship and the music itself. The mental satisfaction should always be more important than money! Nightwish is a band, it`s an emotion. To you, unfortunately, business, money, and things that have nothing to do with those emotions have become much more important. You feel that you have sacrificed yourself and your musical career for Nightwish, rather than thinking what it has given to you. This attitude was clearly shown to me in the two things you said to me in an airplane in Toronto: ”I don`t need Nightwish anymore.” and ”Remember, Tuomas, that I could leave this band at any time, giving you only one day`s warning in advance”. I can`t simply write any more songs for you to sing. You have said yourself that you are merely a ”guest musician” in Nightwish. Now that visit ends and we will continue Nightwish with a new female vocalist. We`re sure this is an equally big relief to you as it is for us. We have all been feeling bad long enough. You told us that no matter what, the next Nightwish album will be your last one. However, the rest of us want to continue as long as the fire burns. So there`s no sense in doing that next album with you, either. The four of us have been going over this situation countless times and we have realized that this is the thing we want to do in life. It´s all we can do. In December 2004, in Germany, you said that you will never tour again for more than two weeks at a time. You also said that we can forget about U.S. and Australia because the fees and the sizes of venues are too small. In interviews I`ve mentioned that if Tarja leaves, that would be the end of the band. I understand that people will think this way. Nightwish is, however, a scenery of my soul and I`m not ready to let go because of one person. A person who wants to focus her creativity to somewhere else, a person whose values don`t match mine. We were never bothered by the fact that you didn`t participate in writing/arranging songs, you never in 9 years came to rehearse the songs with us before going to the studio. Not the fact that while on tour you always wanted to fly, separately from us with your husband. Not the fact that you are an undisputable front image of the band. We accepted and felt ok about everything except greed, underestimating the fans, and breaking promises. It was agreed by the five of us that Nightwish would be the priority in everything that we do during 2004-2005. Still so many things were more important to you. The ultimate example being the already sold-out show in Oslo, which you wanted to cancel because you needed to rehearse for your solo concerts, meet frieds and go to the movies. Those were the words Marcelo used in an e-mail explaining the cancellation. This being just one example of so many. I couldn`t think of a worse way of being selfish and dismissing our fans. Nightwish is a way of life and a job with many obligations. To each other and to the fans. With you we can`t take care of those duties anymore. Deep within we don`t know which one of you drove us to this point. Somehow Marcelo has changed you from the lovely girl you were into a diva, who doesn`t think or act the way she used to. You are too sure of your irreplaceableness and status. It`s obvious that you blame your stress and misery on us four. And you think we don`t respect or listen to you. Belive us; We have always had the uppermost respect towards you as a wonderful vocalist and as a friend. And very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to your decisions only. You were always the only one who wanted more money from the shows. This ”compensation and more money from everything” –attitude is the fact that we are most disappointed of! We wish that from now on you will listen to your heart instead of Marcelo. Cultural differences combined with greed, opportunism and love is a dangerous combination. Do not wither yourself. This decision is not something we are especially proud of but you gave us no choice. The gap between us is too wide. And the decision is made by us four unanimously. We are beyond the point where things could be settled by talking. All the best for your life and career, Tuomas Emppu Jukka Marco Ps. This is an open letter for everybody. http://www.nightwish.com/ __________________ ...en grusom død til hver en mann som ikke hyller vårt faderland...
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25-10-2005, 06:41	#2
Blind Guardian Камрад Join Date: авг 2003 Location: heaven Сообщений: 438	Надо будет провести выходные отмечая это столь радостное событие
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26-10-2005, 01:33	#3
Тарантул Верховный Инквизитор Join Date: ноя 2001 Location: Ногинск Сообщений: 7,471	Не люблю, когда всё это выносится на публику. Негативно начинают выглядеть обе стороны. Ну расстались бы по тихому, не называя причин. Типа, "желание сделать сольную карьеру" и всё. Нафига письмо, адресованное Тарье, выкладывать на всеобщее обозрение?! По факту распада - жаль Last edited by Тарантул; 26-10-2005 at 11:08.
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27-10-2005, 00:41	#4
Svartkladd Priest Of Syrinx Join Date: сен 2002 Сообщений: 3,635	Тарантул они ещё и книгу вроде собираются в продажу пустить - "о том как всё было". Всё там ясно.
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27-10-2005, 00:54	#5
Тарантул Верховный Инквизитор Join Date: ноя 2001 Location: Ногинск Сообщений: 7,471	хех, и тоже кучу бабла на ней срубят. деньгами никто не брезгует, что бы кто не говорил в "открытых письмах".
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27-10-2005, 18:18	#6
Boоjum Камрад Join Date: мар 2001 Location: Красноармейск Сообщений: 1,770	Интересно, кого найдут? Сабину Классен, ы?
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28-10-2005, 09:58	#7
Тарантул Верховный Инквизитор Join Date: ноя 2001 Location: Ногинск Сообщений: 7,471	Селин Дион
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29-10-2005, 07:38	#8
Blind Guardian Камрад Join Date: авг 2003 Location: heaven Сообщений: 438	Или Колю Баскова...
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31-10-2005, 23:35	#9
.:Mellikaaf:. GameMaster Infernal warrior Join Date: янв 2002 Location: USA Сообщений: 2,318	Та, а мне не жаль =) Я не слухал, не слухаю, и похоже не буду слухать ^_^ Скатертью дорожка...
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03-11-2005, 08:20	#10
Metal Fist Камрад Join Date: мая 2005 Location: Москва Сообщений: 397	Да,жаль что Тарья уходит из Найтвиша...Кто-нить в курсе,кого ей на замену найдут/уже нашли?(кроме Баскова=))
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11-12-2005, 13:00	#11
Metal Fist Камрад Join Date: мая 2005 Location: Москва Сообщений: 397	Дык кто-нибудь в курсе что с группой стало?Вроде новый альбом появился, или как?
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22-12-2005, 09:34	#13
Metal Fist Камрад Join Date: мая 2005 Location: Москва Сообщений: 397	Вот еще ссылка, вроде это их последнее http://creep.ru/2005/12/22/Nightwish...Wishsides.html
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11-01-2006, 00:41	#14
Faustus Камрад Join Date: янв 2006 Location: Odessa,Ukraine Сообщений: 16	Имхо найты испелись и с Тарьей или без неё (судя по последнему альбому) ничего нового, интересного, захватывающего не получилось бы скорее всего. Blind Guardian Или Колю Баскова... Ага, или Вилли Валло.
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17-01-2006, 14:57	#15
Vitos Камрад Join Date: апр 2001 Location: Москва, Россия Сообщений: 404	В Найтвиш надо позвать певицу, которая исполняла вокальные партии в опере Waltari "Yeah! Yeah! Die! Die! ...". Другое дело - согласится ли?
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17-01-2006, 16:46	#16
Svartkladd Priest Of Syrinx Join Date: сен 2002 Сообщений: 3,635	В Nightwish нужно Криса Барнса позвать.
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